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Why don't the bloody, fucking Govt just fuck off?

By jump the ladder (Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:16:51 AM EST) (all tags)

I don't want a stupid day to instill some artificial sense of ahistorical Britishness, I don't need them preaching about alcohol abuse at people who have a bottle of wine. A totally unecessary ID card and the police having powers to demand "papers please".

Maybe I'm an old git but these instances seem to be part of general trend towards a nanny state whose goals I don't agree with and restriction of the freedom of the individual.

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I thought we already had ane event by Metatone (4.00 / 4) #1 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:20:27 AM EST

celebrating Parliament, Guy Fawkes Night.

I think the graph on the second news article by cam (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:42:34 AM EST

had the answer. It isnt alcohol that is the problem, it is youth. A better policy would be killing all the young people, or putting them to some productive outlet; like poverty, or chimney sweeping, or soylent green.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

: National Service! by Herring (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:44:26 AM EST

(hanging, the birch etc.)

I'm English, and as such I crave disappointment. - Bill Bailey
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: I beg to differ by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #75 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 06:35:03 AM EST

Clearly, the graph reveals the problem lays in English men. The picture illustrates it perfectly.

but somehow I like this picture

Cheers.
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But a new bank holiday! by Herring (2.00 / 0) #3 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:43:21 AM EST

Oh, I forgot - contractors don't get paid.

I do want to know where they come up with these guidelines. Shortly before I left Crap Corp, I had a liver function test (amongst other things to rule out stuff other than depression). It was fine - which surprised me for a start. This is conclusive proof that the guidelines need to be raised to 150 units a week.

I'm English, and as such I crave disappointment. - Bill Bailey

Oh you poor, misguided by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:47:52 AM EST

cilice-wearing fool.

It might be, for instance, that local areas come together, they decide for themselves about the contribution that they might make.

Such as the Asian areas asserting their cultural identity, the Polish areas celebrating theirs, the BNP-ish Saxonites gathering for their own barbecue (no dark meats) and the rest of us simply ignoring the issue and being mildly grateful for the free holiday? A miraculous example of cultural unity.

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So vote Tory. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 08:51:59 AM EST

Earth First!
_{(We can strip mine the rest later.)}

Well by Phage (4.00 / 2) #8 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:07:09 AM EST

They're

(a) Pro Iraq war
(b) Pro ID Cards
(c) A bunch or elitist, micro-cephalic, malodorous morons.

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I thought that was Labour by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:32:49 AM EST

Earth First!
_{(We can strip mine the rest later.)}
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You have grasped the kernel by Phage (4.00 / 1) #14 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:41:21 AM EST

of our dilemma.
Interestingly it comes down to

Elitist, old-money prep-school, Oxford graduates
Vs
Elitist, bourgeois, Oxford graduates, who until recently had a better PR department.

As I said they are both stupid, and smell of cheese.

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Clearly by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #16 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:35:40 AM EST

You must vote Breaker in 2012.

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Do you need a campaign manager? by komet (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:46:43 AM EST

I accept cornish pastys and pork pies in lieu of payment.

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There's an M&S scotch egg on my desk by Phage (2.00 / 0) #27 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:56:27 AM EST

That I can place as a down payment.

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: Oooh! by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:05:56 PM EST

My first contributor to party funds!

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Well, so far I have assembled a team by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #28 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:05:37 PM EST

Mostly from HuSi, so why not?

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How will you deal with your American counterpart by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #32 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:27:24 PM EST

MNS?

Irony: ammo says it's time. Tom is blocked.
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: Doubtless by Breaker (4.00 / 3) #36 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:31:17 PM EST

A high level summit meeting in Amsterdam.

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Be careful here by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #17 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:36:30 AM EST

Quite a few people in the US said, in 2000, that "There's no real difference between Republicans and Democrats, or between Bush and Gore."

So (especially in Florida) they voted for various third parties.

Oops.

Earth First!
_{(We can strip mine the rest later.)}
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Absolutley true by Phage (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:42:30 AM EST

I'm a true swinging voter, but I don't vote for minor parties.
(Well, except for the Euro parliamanet because they have no state as yet.)

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: I vote third party all the time by cam (4.00 / 2) #23 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:42:19 AM EST

the major parties get far too much encouragement as it is.
cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic
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And Ohio by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:51:43 AM EST

and some of them are here.

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Where is my party? by Herring (4.00 / 2) #21 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:21:04 AM EST

I don't see anybody standing on a platform of

Stop giving stupid money to private companies for shit work. Write a proper contract.
Stop Creationists and other nutters being able to start taxpayer-funded schools
Stop the mad "terrorism" laws. The police have killed far more people than terrorists this century
Free bacon flavoured crisps on Thursdays

I'm English, and as such I crave disappointment. - Bill Bailey
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Vote 1 Breaker by Phage (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:42:19 AM EST

And the Rational party.

(I'm semi-serious about this)

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Indeed. by Breaker (4.00 / 2) #34 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:29:20 PM EST

Proper contracts when dealing with private firms, that actually has some teeth in it when the consultancy firm fucks up
Restoration of personal freedoms (repeal ID cards, mad terrorism laws, allow publicans to decide if their premises are non-smoking or not)
Restore corporal punishment
An end to Blair, and the causes of Blair
Handing the NHS back to the doctors, nurses and surgeons
Renationalisation of the rail network
End the council housing lottery bonanza (can't sell or rent out a bought council house for 3 years after the resident took ownership)
Free milk to primary school children
And bacon flavour crisps on Thursdays
Pull all Olympic funding so the IOC give the 2012 Olympics to Paris.
Immediate resignation of any Breaker's Truth & Justice Party official found to have their hands in the till or cock in their secretary
Advocacy for UTBNB amongst the youth
A national strategy on domestic recycling instead of the piecemeal council initiatives
An immediate ban on jazz "music" in public places
New packaging laws so that an item as big as a matchbox doesn't come in a foot square box
Investigation on feasibility of recommissioning the canal ways
Compulsory guitar lessons for all
Increase hours of PE in secondary schools to 8 hours a week, reintroduce the concept of "winners" and "losers" in sport. Increase national subsidies to all sports centres for the public.
Ban the practice of covering any bread product in excessive flour

That'll do for starters, but Breaker's Truth & Justice Party is always open to new ideas.

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Oh and by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #38 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:33:51 PM EST

If the Welsh want Wales, it's theirs. If the Scots want Scotlandia, it's theirs.

But on a complete separation deal; no subsidies from Englandland and you can sell us your sheep and oil instead of just suckling away on our ever generous teat.

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THEIR oil?!! by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #45 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:54:10 PM EST

Are you mad?

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: Ah by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #50 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 01:41:42 PM EST

There's only 20 years left anyway.

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Oh dear by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #49 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 01:03:36 PM EST

someone hasn't done their oil and water calculations. You'd end up paying more.

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Worth it though... by Breaker (4.00 / 2) #51 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 01:43:10 PM EST

Just to stop the fucking porridgewogs whining endlessly about it.

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I kind of agree by yicky yacky (2.00 / 0) #54 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 01:50:55 PM EST

to the extent that I see no harm in giving them their referend(a|ums). I suspect that neither Wales nor Scotland will actually vote "yes" to complete secession and it'll settle the issue once and for all. Scotland may secede; Wales probably won't.

There's a bit of a dance going on in Wales at the moment within the assembly as nobody has an outright majority and most of the parties are against secession except the nationalists -- and the nationalists have made a referendum part of any deal the minority government may wish to make. Labour haven't gone for it. I think they should; Plaid Cymru will almost certainly lose. Case closed. Next etc.

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: Scots will be off by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #70 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:10:58 AM EST

I agree. Not really been following Welsh politics so thanks for the write up above.
The Scots will secede, there'll be ~5 years correction of their economy and mistakes of a fledgling parliament made.
Which is why we must take the choice from them and force them out on their own, rebuilding Hadrian's Wall to keep them from venturing south to steal our plasma screen tellies and pollute our ears with their nasty Scottish burrs.
Once their civil war is over and the population is thinned to more realistic, sustainable level, they may be re-admitted to the warmth and kindness of our Empiric bosom.
Toughlove, done on a National level.

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Where do I sign ? by Phage (2.00 / 0) #40 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:37:59 PM EST

Apart from the crisps musn't mention the sauce issue that's just about perfect.

Also.
Stop renting nukes from the US
Investment in Nuclear power and renewables
Pull the troops from Iraq, to be replaced by UN force from Arab nations.
Force people >£50k pa to be privately insured taking the pressure off the NHS.

I'd better stop before it turns into a rant.

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Sauce? There's no debate there, surely? by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #46 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:57:37 PM EST

Not sure I can support someone who wants to hand the NHS back to the doctors, nurses and surgeons. I mean, what would happen if we handed over the Great British Car Industry over to the mechanics and production line workers?

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They did that in the 1970s by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #57 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 03:36:11 PM EST

At British Leyland. Worked well as you can see if you were fortuunate to buy a Princess, Allegro, Marina or MG from that decade.

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: Also at NVT by Phage (2.00 / 0) #64 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 03:18:28 AM EST

That's Norton Villiers Triumph. Very nasty lumps of crap.

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Even if the secretary's hot? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #42 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:40:13 PM EST

Irony: ammo says it's time. Tom is blocked.
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: Yup. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #44 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:43:56 PM EST

We'll have official party whores, so it's all kept above board. I'm no tyrant, after all.

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A ban on Jazz? by komet (2.00 / 0) #52 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 01:44:45 PM EST

If you don't relent then I see no other option than to declare civil war on you.

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: Please re-consider your position. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #56 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 02:57:13 PM EST

It's for the children.
Irony: ammo says it's time. Tom is blocked.
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Taking this far too seriously... by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #59 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:40:40 PM EST

Proper contracts when dealing with private firms, that actually has some teeth in it when the consultancy firm fucks up

For what it's worth, my company got absolutely scalped on wholly unreasonable penalty clauses on one government contract. Someone was asleep at the wheel the day that contract was signed...

Point being, it does happen, although admittedly not often enough. (Although ours was too far the other way - but our fault for agreeing to it.)

Restoration of personal freedoms (repeal ID cards, mad terrorism laws, allow publicans to decide if their premises are non-smoking or not)

Absolutely, except - leaving smoke free up to the publicans effectively means that no pub or bar will ever be smoke free. Us non-smokers are too used to it to stay away, while the smokers will go elsewhere. There are music & TV-free pubs, family friendly pubs, but no smoke-free pubs. Clearly, the market just isn't there. (Personally, I believe that sometimes the market has to be corrected, and that this may well be one of those times)

New packaging laws so that an item as big as a matchbox doesn't come in a foot square box

While I agree in principle, it seems to me that that falls squarely in the same court as allowing publicans to decide smoking policy - if people don't like it, they'll change pub/supplier, no? Not that hypocrisy ever stopped any other politicians... That may not be entirely fair, but I've been drinking

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Or not seriously enough... by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #60 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:06:38 PM EST

Contracts - the large companies are experts at fucking stuff up then expecting the client (not always governmental work either). Governments need to have oversights in place to either prevent this or at least not get done over.

Smoking in pubs - it's all down to personal freedom. I've been off the ciggies ~18 months (occasional lapses excluded of course); the vast majority of my friends don't smoke. But a little tolerance would go a long way and I don't think a blanket ban is going to help. Also, no provision has been made if a group of smokers sat at a table get up and go outside - who then owns that table? I can see some nasty incidents cropping up there, and that's not even accounting for the fact that theft is going to increase. No word by the Govt on that either. Poorly thought out, overall.

Packaging: that's not entirely fair as some items (particularly electronics) have distinguishing features you may not find by other manufacturers. Pro rata VAT on empty space in the box and manufacturers will economise soon enough.

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Fair points by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #86 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:24:54 AM EST

I know a number of the larger consultancy firms cough*Crapita*cough*EDS*cough do that, so I'm not disputing your point; just offering up a small anecdote to show that it sometimes happens the other way round too...

Smoking in pubs - I don't entirely disagree. However, I can't think I've ever heard of even a single non-smoking pub. Either the demand isn't there, or the market won't bear it. Either way, there's nowhere people can go and drink alcohol in public in a smoke-free environment. It's all about balancing people's freedoms, and I'm not sure that the right to smoke in pubs trumps the right not to be exposed to other people's smoke in pubs. Perhaps a blanket ban isn't the best way, but I can't think of anything else the government could do other than tax/licencing cost breaks for smoke free establishments.

Also, no provision has been made if a group of smokers sat at a table get up and go outside - who then owns that table?

The pub does... Seriously though, no provision currently exists for normal groups where someone goes to the bar, someone else pops out to make/take a call, someone else goes to the loo, etc. They'll just have to do what couples do in these situations - go in shifts. It sucks, but so does sitting dying for a wee while your friend/date is queuing patiently at a busy bar, or taking ages in the loo.

Packaging - I assumed you meant packaging used by mail order retailers. They tend to only have a few sizes of boxes, which can lead to items being sent in boxes that are far, far larger than necessary. If anything, I tend to find manufacturers packaging to be on the more minimal side.

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non smoking pubs by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #90 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:05:34 AM EST

ISTR a Whetherspoons or two going non smoking.

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: That does ring a bell by Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #91 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:35:04 AM EST

Although I seem to remember the press release mentioning something about it being in preparation for/ahead of/whatever the proposed blanket ban.
For what it's worth though, if any of them were anywhere near me I never knew about it.
To be honest, I'm not convinced the ban is a good thing. I am convinced, though, that most of the arguments against just don't hold water.

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Aye. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #92 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 09:40:50 AM EST

Nice to hear that industry is not proofed against the incompetent, anyway. Sadly that outcome doesn't make the news though, so I suspect awareness is limited.

You can extrapolate the smoking in pubs argument to a lot of things and put them in the "I don't but it affects me if other people do" category. I don't drive so why should I breathe driver's exhaust fumes when I ride my bike to work? However, the Government has successfully demonised smokers to the point where the middle ground has been blurred and absolute action is required.

In South Africa they allow smoking inside venues - but they must be serviced by seperate air conditioner units to the non smoking section and near as dammit airtight between the two. But this government gets off on social control, either for "your own good" or spun to look like a boon to the populace. And it's not going to end there; they're lining up to take a swipe at drinking next. First they came for the smokers, then they came for the drinkers...

Some manufacturers and mail order companies are getting better at packaging, I agree. But when airspace in the packaging is seen as a marketing tool, it needs to be curbed to minimise waste.

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UTBNB against the youth? by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #78 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 06:41:21 AM EST

That sounds rather like a boarding school policy to me.

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: Possibly by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #79 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 07:23:46 AM EST

But a cheap and effective way of reducing teenage pregnancy

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It's possible that you will revoke my citizenship. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #77 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 06:40:32 AM EST

But I'm feeling the need for a free Thai Sweet Chilli crisp day one day of the week, too. Just to show we're a modern, cosmopolitan and with it country.

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I am crisp agnostic. by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #80 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 07:26:45 AM EST

Although I suggest that those who tick "Ready Salted" or "Paprika" flavour crisps on their citizenship form should be taken to the Walkers factory for enlightenment.

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ready salted by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #84 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:22:44 AM EST

The one true crisp.

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: Can't tempt you by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #89 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:48:30 AM EST

With Lamb & mint, cheesy Wotsits, Flamin hot monster munch or prawn cocktail then?
Off to Ashby-de-la-Zouch for you then!

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Trad tasties by Phage (2.00 / 0) #87 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:25:48 AM EST

Marmite or Cheese and Onion.

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: -1: flamebait by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #93 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:11:23 AM EST

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Sir by Merekat (4.00 / 2) #58 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 06:33:00 PM EST

I object to your slur on cheese.

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ID cards by R Mutt (4.00 / 1) #15 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:25:56 AM EST

Conservatives formally pledge to cancel ID card scheme.

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: That is the best news by Phage (4.00 / 1) #18 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 10:38:01 AM EST

I've seen in a long time. Now to work on the others.

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I find by Phage (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:03:24 AM EST

your lack of faith in our elected officials disturbing.

Iraq
Cash for Honours
CCTV - That talks to you.
'Smith!' yelled a voice from the telescreen. '6079 Smith W.! Hands out of pockets in the cells!'
ID cards - Papier ! Schnell !(apologies to our German cousins)
Warning labels on everything - Your judgement is not to be trusted.
Incomprehensible laws - Therefore irrefutable.
No right of demonstration
and so on, and so forth.

No, no problem here. But...Even Big Brother allowed Victory Gin and Cigarettes.

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: Incomprehensible laws by Cloaked User (4.00 / 3) #35 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:30:47 PM EST

Not only irrefutable, but virtually impossible to avoid transgressions. One way of controlling a populace is to turn every one of them into a criminal. Then if you ever need to arrest anyone, you have a perfectly legal and above-board excuse.
Even Big Brother allowed Victory Gin and Cigarettes.
Oh, we'll get our bread and circuses, they'll just be healthy, politically-correct alternatives.

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it's not so bad by TPD (4.00 / 1) #9 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:17:05 AM EST

they just need to rebrand the nanny state to Hot Swedish Au Pair state.

Also labeling drinks by units contained is a top idea.... working out whether the weaker yet larger can is the best buy can be a nightmare especially when you're a little inebriated already.

Rock Hard Abs are just a sw-sw-swivel away!

: It's a top idea by Cloaked User (4.00 / 1) #37 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:32:20 PM EST

It would've helped no end on those already tipsy teenaged nights when me and a mate were in the local Spar, doing the cost/percentage by volume/size comparison. Of course, we were looking at wine rather than larger, but the principle's the same.

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Well by R Mutt (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:23:33 AM EST

According to Richard Layard's Happiness: Lessons from a New Science, statistically the most important factors in happiness are good health, a sense of security, and strong social networks.

In addition, people tend to irrationally attach to much importance to short-term pleasures (such as drinking), and too little to long-term risks (such as liver damage).

Therefore, in order to maximize the happiness of its population, they government should compel you to have good health, institute conspicuous security measures, and encourage you to engage in shared community activities with your neighbours.

Sounds like intensive farming by Phage (4.00 / 1) #11 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:31:30 AM EST

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moo by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #22 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:21:27 AM EST

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It's my birthday soon by Phage (2.00 / 0) #25 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:44:05 AM EST

Care for a pint ?

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next week? by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #30 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:19:06 PM EST

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Ok - Mon/Tues/Wed ? by Phage (2.00 / 0) #31 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:25:23 PM EST

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monday by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #48 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:59:54 PM EST

somewhere near to london bridge?

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Sounds good by Phage (2.00 / 0) #66 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 03:28:38 AM EST

Although I'm at Monument nowadays.

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the walk will do you good by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #67 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 04:25:56 AM EST

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: See my reply to Breaker by Phage (2.00 / 0) #73 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:44:47 AM EST

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I'm at Bank. by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #69 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:05:13 AM EST

Wanna ~~cyber~~ drink beer?

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Oo0errr by Phage (2.00 / 0) #72 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:42:57 AM EST

Sounds like a plan. What about next Monday eve with the DrH ?

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Aye. by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #81 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 07:27:10 AM EST

Where / when?

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Howsabout by Phage (2.00 / 0) #82 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:01:41 AM EST

5:30 ish at the Market Porter ? Or The George ?

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Oooh south of the river by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #83 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:17:06 AM EST

There be dragons!

I'm easy at either...

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By about 200 yds ! by Phage (2.00 / 0) #85 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:22:46 AM EST

Where's DrH ? I'll text him.

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: sorry, just got back from pub by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #94 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:13:17 AM EST

I found the market porter last time so that's good by me.

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Breaker ? by Phage (2.00 / 0) #95 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:19:41 AM EST

It looks like 5:30 at the market porter.
Alright by you ?

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Insh'allah. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #96 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:25:35 AM EST

Working on my LNP right now.

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Is there anyone else nearby ? by Phage (2.00 / 0) #97 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:35:57 AM EST

JtL is at Canary Wharf, and London Bridge is on the Jubilee...

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I'm actually in the City by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #98 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:54:16 AM EST

These days. Walking distance of London Bridge. I suppose my arm could be twisted...

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The time and place are set.. by Phage (2.00 / 0) #99 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 10:59:45 AM EST

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Let there be lager. by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #100 Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 05:27:32 AM EST

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And it was so by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #102 Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 05:27:59 AM EST

And we saw that it was good.

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Or vodders and diet coke by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #103 Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 05:42:25 AM EST

For some!

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I had a couple of lager beers too by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #104 Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 07:07:15 AM EST

Well, Fosters anyway.

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: Fosters - by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #105 Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 07:31:39 AM EST

Australian for cooking lager.

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Except by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #55 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 02:08:27 PM EST

Alcohol promotes strong social networks.
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Britain day... by Breaker (4.00 / 2) #13 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 09:34:07 AM EST

We should celebrate by getting shitfaced and having a fight.

Are NuLabia trying to make themselves unelectable next election? I do wonder - now that they can no longer blame everything on the previous Tory governments, have their analysts estimated that the easy times are over and they want out so that another party will carry the can for their mismanagement?

I think the tipping point is yet to come, when GTLSB is crowned, the gutter press will be getting the knives out.

Britain Day by priestess (4.00 / 1) #33 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:28:31 PM EST

A new national holiday is a fine idea, if we have to pretend to be Irish on St Patricks day then we can pretend to be British on British Day.

I personally would use the day off for campaigning for a breakup of the union into six seperate countries:

Scotland
Wales
Northern Ireland
London
England
All the colonies we still have, Falklands, Anguillia, Montserat, Gibraltar etc.

Each a seperate EU state.

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When the Italians do the same... by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #41 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:38:24 PM EST

you'll still be well out-numbered in the EU.

Irony: ammo says it's time. Tom is blocked.
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If they were truly by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #47 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:58:22 PM EST

separate countries, you wouldn't get to say whether they were an EU state or not; they would. Also: Yorkshire has more more people than Scotland (and, by corollary, Wales), as does old-school Lancashire.

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Dividing England up by cam (2.00 / 0) #61 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:19:39 PM EST

into Angles, Saxons, Yutes and Wessex. Would that work?

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic
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: The govt are well onto that by Phage (4.00 / 1) #65 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 03:25:26 AM EST

They could use their DNA database to enforce a partition on tribal genetics.

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Having just been to Montenegro, by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #76 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 06:38:27 AM EST

I can say that that's exactly equivalent to having Yorkshire as a separate country.

And to be honest, I'm not sure why we have to stick with the 2nd millenium CE definitions of the countries in these islands rather than going back to the 1st millenium ones. Mercian independence now! is what I say.

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: Wouldn't that mean ceding by Phage (2.00 / 0) #88 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 08:27:03 AM EST

Most of the UK to the Danes ?

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To be fair by Cloaked User (4.00 / 1) #39 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:36:59 PM EST

I think if you're drinking a bottle of wine a night, you probably are screwing with your liver.

On the other hand, if you're the sort to drink a bottle of wine rather than a four pack of lager, you probably don't need to be told that. (Ooh, classist/educationist, I know, but probably true...)

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: It's another shameless tax grab by Breaker (4.00 / 2) #43 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 12:43:17 PM EST

One of the papers had some "expert" saying "Hmm, people are drinking too much, let's make it more expensive". As if that's realistically going to impact the middleclass boozers; they already know that 2 bottles a night is not good for them but do it anyway.

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You're too optimistic by DullTrev (4.00 / 1) #53 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 01:47:52 PM EST

We're not heading towards a nanny state, we're already in a police one.

I always feel like this before I have to go to London, where no-one has any rights, as far as I can tell.

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Hear Hear. by dmg (4.00 / 3) #62 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 07:54:03 PM EST

As a libertarian anarchist I'm sick of these sleazy lying hypocritical cynical motherfuckers telling us what to do as well.

But what can we do about it in practice? I mean, whinging on a website is a step in the right direction, and credit to you for making the effort, but sadly, as the IRA proved, "terrorism" is the only way the disenfranchised are able to effect any meaningful change.

The problem is that the average thick-as-shit British person doesn't care, and unfortunately for us, is giving us the government they deserve. Perhaps as a result of the comprehensive "education" system, and the vacuous culture of "celebrity" they are more interested in the goings on in the "Big Brother" house or whether some football player has a new tattoo than the fact that 1000 years of tradition and rights are being stealthily removed by an authroritarian coercivist government as a pre-cursor to EU domination followed swiftly by world government.

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: Giving this a 4 simply isn't enough. [nt] by vorheesleatherface (4.00 / 1) #101 Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 01:45:10 PM EST

"Stabbing someone in the head with a pitchfork is rarely beneficial to the relationship." - MereKat
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Rediculous by alien zero (4.00 / 1) #63 Tue Jun 05, 2007 at 11:48:02 PM EST

n. so ridiculous it must be mocked again and again

What an absolutely retarded notion. The way to promote integration and cultural understanding is by celebrating some geographical delineation? What rot. Last I checked these over-age delinquents in westminster couldn't give any better definition of what britishness is/was/might be anyhow, therefore "National Quandary Day" may be a more honest proposition.

FFS, nationalism seems such a waste of time and effort just to underpin one of the most ridiculous lines that supposedly separate people from each other. In some sense it's just giving justification to the bigots that are already out there. I might even go so far as to say that Britain benefits from having less nationalism than (just sticking to the english-speaking world, and places I've had the (mis-)fortune of living in for extended periods - well, the intersection of the two) USia, Oz, NZ etc. Being apologetic for being the biggest imperialistic wankers in history adds a much-valued humility to the character.

The social problems we have are intimately connected with the rise of narrow-mindedness and peevishness that's infected people over the last couple of decades; this isn't going to get solved by adding another cause for the glorification of narrow-minded divisions in humanity. Discuss.

Now I remember why I don't live there any more.

Silly idea by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #68 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:04:43 AM EST

Which won't happen.

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I like the idea of another public holiday by jump the ladder (4.00 / 2) #71 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:14:35 AM EST

Trafalgar Day ticks all the boxes. Midway betwen August bank holiday and Christmas (21st October), a day celebrating beating the crap out of the French, a fairly uncontroversial war and victory and you can even have a bit PC multiculturalism as the Royal Navy crews were a very international lot.

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: I think that this should form by Phage (2.00 / 0) #74 Wed Jun 06, 2007 at 05:46:43 AM EST

Part of the Rational Party platform in 2012.

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